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Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake: Two Shallow Natural Ponds Just Off the Rim Road Near Myrtle Point, and What They Are Not

Two small, shallow natural lakes on the Dane Canyon topographic quad near the Rim Road's turnoff to Myrtle Point: Myrtle Lake, right beside the road where the Google pin sits, and Lost Lake, about 0.8 miles to its southeast and half a mile off the road toward the Rim edge, at roughly 7,860 feet. They are meadow ponds in the Rim's limestone, filled by snowmelt and monsoon rain, ringed by ponderosa and grazed by elk at dusk, and often low or dry by midsummer. No facilities, no stocking we could verify, no reason to drive three hours for them alone; every reason to camp near them if you are on the Rim Road anyway.

Illustration of Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake, Arizona

The 30-second version

  • Myrtle Lake (34.4017, -111.1585) and Lost Lake (34.3929, -111.1496) are named natural lakes on the USGS Dane Canyon quadrangle in Coconino County, on the Coconino National Forest's Mogollon Rim Ranger District, about 2 miles north of Myrtle Point on the Rim edge. Lost Lake sits at about 7,860 feet.
  • Both are shallow seasonal ponds, full after snowmelt and monsoon and sometimes dry by July; depth, acreage and fish are not documented by the Forest Service or Arizona Game and Fish, so assume no fishing.
  • Myrtle Lake lies right beside the Rim Road (FR 300), the roughly 40-mile gravel road along the top of the Rim between SR 87 and SR 260, near the FR 300C spur to Myrtle Point; Lost Lake is about half a mile south of the road toward the Rim edge on a two-track that wants high clearance and is mud after rain.
  • There are no facilities of any kind: no toilets, no water, no tables. Dispersed camping is free along FR 300 and its spurs, at least 100 feet from the water, 14-day limit, and fire restrictions apply most summers.
  • About 175 minutes from Old Town: the Beeline to Payson, SR 260 up onto the Rim, then about 15 miles of gravel west on FR 300. The approach from SR 87 is a similar length of gravel from the other end.

Where

Forest Road 300 (Rim Road) near its junction with FR 300C to Myrtle Point, about 15 miles west of SR 260

Directions

Drive from Old Town

About 2 hr 55 min

No traffic. Add time on Friday afternoons.

Elevation

7,850 ft

Old Town sits at about 1,250 ft.

Cost

Free; dispersed camping along the Rim Road is free with a 14-day limit

Reservations

None

Season

Late April or May through October, when the Rim Road is open; the ponds hold the most water after snowmelt in May and June and after the monsoon in August and September, and can be dry by early summer in a poor year

Hours

No posted hours

Managed by

Coconino National Forest (Mogollon Rim Ranger District)

fs.usda.gov

Best for

Rim Road campers who want a meadow pond for the elk and the reflection, not anglers or swimmers

What’s here

  • Tent sites
  • Hiking trails
  • Dogs welcome (leashed)

What are Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake?

The top of the Mogollon Rim is pocked with shallow basins where the limestone has dissolved and the snowmelt has nowhere to go, and a few dozen of them hold water long enough to be called lakes on the map. Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake are two of those, on the Coconino National Forest beside the Rim Road and roughly two miles behind Myrtle Point, where the Rim drops 2,000 feet to Christopher Creek. Lost Lake sits at about 7,860 feet; Myrtle Lake, 0.8 miles northwest of it and the one Google pins, is about the same. Both are meadow ponds ringed by ponderosa: a few acres of water after a wet winter, a cracked flat with a puddle after a dry one, grazed by cattle in summer and visited by elk at dusk in numbers that make the camping worthwhile.

That is the whole honest description. The Forest Service publishes nothing on them, Arizona Game and Fish does not stock them, and there is no trail, table or toilet. They are what you camp beside on this quiet middle stretch of the Rim Road, between Knoll Lake to the west and the busy Rim Lakes to the east, and the view you walk two miles south to find at Myrtle Point is the reason the stretch is quiet in the first place: the people are all at the lakes with boat ramps.

What you get is a free night in the pines beside water that reflects the sky and draws the elk, and an edge-of-the-world overlook with nobody on it. What you do not get is fish, a swim, a toilet, or any guarantee the ponds will be there in June.

How to camp the Rim Road here right

It is free; camp by the rules. No fee, no reservation. Dispersed camping is on existing sites and pullouts along FR 300 and its spurs, at least 100 feet from the water, 14-day limit, as everywhere on the Rim Road. Pack out everything; there are no dumpsters for miles.

Get there. Loop 101 north to SR 87, the Beeline, to Payson, then SR 260 east about 30 miles up the Rim to the top, where Forest Road 300, the Rim Road, leaves on the left at the Rim Visitor Information Station. Drive west about 15 miles of graded gravel, past Bear Canyon Lake’s turnoff, to the FR 300C spur signed for Myrtle Point; Myrtle Lake is beside the main road there, and Lost Lake is about half a mile south on a two-track toward the Rim edge. Figure about 175 minutes from Old Town. From the SR 87 end, FR 300 east past Kehl Springs and Knoll Lake is a similar distance of gravel and slower. Either way the main road is fine for a car when dry; the spurs are not, and everything is mud after a storm.

Pick the season, and the week. The Rim Road opens when the snow goes, usually late April or May, and closes with the first big storm in November. The ponds are fullest in May and again in late August after the monsoon; in a dry June they are cracked mud. September and October bring the elk rut, cold nights and the best camping of the year.

Water. None you would drink. Bring all of it; the nearest tap is Knoll Lake Campground, 10 miles west.

Fire. The Coconino restricts or bans campfires on the Rim most summers by June. Carry a gas stove and check before you go.

Walk to the point. FR 300C runs about two miles south to Myrtle Point. Go at the end of the day; the Rim faces south and the light on the Sierra Ancha and Four Peaks is the show. The Myrtle Trail climbs to the point from the Highline below, so the hikers you meet came up from Christopher Creek, and Horton Creek is the other classic climb up the same wall.

Dogs. Allowed; keep them out of the ponds, which the cattle have been in first.

Skip it if you need water you can see. Knoll Lake and Woods Canyon Lake are real lakes a half hour either way; come here for the quiet, the elk and the edge of the Rim.

A soldiers’ road along the edge

The Rim’s top is Kaibab limestone, laid down in a Permian sea and capped in places by basalt, and limestone dissolves. Rain and snowmelt open shallow depressions and sinkholes with no outlet, and in a country where the streams all run off the edge, those pockets of standing water were the only water on the plateau for anything that walked. The Western Apache bands who wintered in the canyons below the Rim came up in summer to hunt and gather; the Yavapai held the country to the west; and the game trails to the sinkhole ponds are older than any road. Dozens of these ponds dot the Rim from Baker Butte to Forest Lakes. Two of them, for reasons no gazetteer records, were named Myrtle and Lost.

The road came with the Army. Between 1872 and 1874 General George Crook’s troops cut a supply route from Fort Whipple at Prescott, by way of Camp Verde, along the Rim edge to Fort Apache, roughly 200 miles of wagon road laid along the escarpment because the top was flat and the water holes were there. Crook used it in the Apache campaigns; the settlers who followed used it for decades; and when the Forest Service graded its Rim Road, FR 300, it followed the Crook road along this stretch, which is why the lakes sit a few yards off a gravel highway. In the 1970s Boy Scouts re-marked the old alignment with the small chevron blazes you can still find nailed to ponderosas along the road.

Below the edge a second road was going in at the same time. The Highline Trail, established around 1870, linked the homesteads strung along the base of the Rim from Pine to Christopher Creek, and the settlers’ children walked it to school in Pine. Short, brutal trails climbed from it to the top wherever a break in the cliffs allowed; the Myrtle Trail, which tops out at Myrtle Point two miles south of the lakes, is one of them, and whoever Myrtle was gave her name to the point, the trail and the lake. When the Coconino National Forest was created in 1908 the Rim edge became its boundary with the Tonto below, so the ponds and the point are Coconino and the Highline is Tonto. Zane Grey built a hunting cabin under the Rim to the east and used the Highline for his hunts; the cabin, restored in the 1960s, stood until June 25, 1990, when the Dude Fire started below the Rim and burned more than 30,000 acres, killing six firefighters, a disaster the memorial off SR 260 now marks. The view south from Myrtle Point is still partly of that burn.

The last few decades have brought rules rather than buildings. Rim Road camping, once anywhere you could pull off, is now on existing sites with a 100-foot setback from water; campfire restrictions arrive most years by June; and the ponds, always seasonal, now dry earlier in drought years and depend on the monsoon to refill. The Forest Service has never built anything at either lake, has never stocked them, and does not list them on its recreation pages, which is exactly why there is an elk herd at dusk and nobody else.

Why it matters

Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake explain the Rim better than the lakes with boat ramps do. They are what the plateau’s water looked like before Game and Fish built dams: shallow, seasonal, limestone-floored and shared with cattle and elk. The road beside them is an Army supply line turned Forest Service gravel, and the point two miles south is where the settlers’ trail met the soldiers’. For a Scottsdale visitor the verdict is plain: do not drive three hours for the ponds, but if you are camping the Rim Road, pick this stretch, camp back in the pines, carry your water, and walk to the edge at sunset.

Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake by the numbers

~7,850 ft

Elevation

None

Fee

None

Facilities

~175 min

Drive from Old Town

How it got here: a timeline

  1. prehistory

    The top of the Rim is summer country for the Western Apache bands below it and for the Yavapai to the west; the sinkhole ponds in the Kaibab limestone are the only standing water on the plateau, and the game trails to them are older than any road.

  2. 1870

    Settlers below the Rim open the Highline Trail to link their homesteads and reach the school at Pine; the Myrtle Trail, which climbs from the Highline to Myrtle Point two miles south of the lakes, is one of the old routes up the escarpment.

  3. 1872–1874

    General George Crook's troops cut a supply road along the Rim edge from Fort Whipple at Prescott to Fort Apache, about 200 miles; the Rim Road, FR 300, follows the Crook road along this stretch, and the chevron markers Boy Scouts nailed to the trees in the 1970s still mark it.

  4. 1908

    The Coconino National Forest is created, and the Rim edge becomes the line between it and the Tonto below; the lakes and the point fall to the Coconino, the Highline to the Tonto.

  5. 1990

    On June 25 the Dude Fire starts below the Rim east of here and burns more than 30,000 acres, killing six firefighters and destroying Zane Grey's cabin; the Highline and Myrtle trails are scarred and the view from Myrtle Point is of the burn.

  6. 2000s–2020s

    Rim Road camping shifts to designated existing sites with a 100-foot setback from water, and seasonal fire restrictions become the rule by June most years; the ponds dry earlier in drought years and refill with each monsoon.

  7. today

    Two named ponds on the map, no facilities, free camping on the pullouts, and a 2,000-foot drop two miles away.

Questions people actually ask

Can you fish Myrtle Lake or Lost Lake?

Not that we can confirm. Neither appears in the Arizona Game and Fish stocking program, and both are shallow enough to dry out, which no trout survives. The fishing lakes on the Rim are Knoll Lake, 10 miles west on FR 300, and Bear Canyon, Woods Canyon and Willow Springs to the east.

Can you swim?

They are shallow, muddy-bottomed meadow ponds used by cattle and elk. You can wade. You will not want to.

Is there camping?

Dispersed camping is free along the Rim Road and its spurs on existing sites, at least 100 feet from any water, with a 14-day limit and no facilities. Knoll Lake Campground, about 10 miles west on FR 300, is the nearest developed campground with water and toilets. Check Coconino fire restrictions before you go; by mid-June most years there are no campfires on the Rim.

Do I need four-wheel drive?

The Rim Road itself is graded gravel that any car handles when dry. The short two-tracks off it to the ponds and the FR 300C spur to Myrtle Point are rockier and turn to mud in rain; a high-clearance vehicle is wise, and after a storm, stay on the main road.

Why are there natural lakes on top of the Rim?

The top of the Rim is Kaibab limestone over a basalt cap in places, and water dissolves limestone into shallow depressions and sinkholes that hold snowmelt and rain with nowhere to drain. Dozens of these small lakes and tanks dot the Rim from Baker Butte to Forest Lakes; Myrtle Lake and Lost Lake are two of them that got names on the map.

What is at Myrtle Point?

The edge. FR 300C runs about two miles south from the Rim Road to a point where the Mogollon Rim drops roughly 2,000 feet to Christopher Creek, with the Highline Trail on the bench below and the Sierra Ancha and Four Peaks on the horizon. The Myrtle Trail climbs to the point from the Highline, so day hikers from Christopher Creek come up it. There is no fence, no sign worth the name and no water.

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Sources

Facts checked: October 12, 2026 • Curated by the Scottsdale.tips editors • Fees, seasons, road conditions and fire restrictions change — confirm with Coconino National Forest (Mogollon Rim Ranger District) before you build a day around them.