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Blue Lake (Cibecue): A White Mountain Apache Lake Inside the Tribe's Closed Area, Not Open to Visitors

Google Maps calls this a campground. The pin is West Blue Lake, a small lake at 7,255 feet on the reservation's northwest plateau south of the Rim, and it sits inside the White Mountain Apache Tribe's closed area, where no tribal recreation permit allows non-members to camp, fish or even drive. There is nothing here for a visitor, and trying to reach it is trespass. The tribe's open lakes with real campgrounds are 60 miles east around McNary and Hawley Lake.

Illustration of Blue Lake Campground (Cibecue), Arizona

The 30-second version

  • The Google pin at 34.268, -110.655 matches USGS West Blue Lake (alternate name Blue Lake), a lake at about 7,255 feet in Navajo County, 9.6 miles east-southeast of Forest Lakes and roughly 16 miles northwest of Cibecue, on the Fort Apache Indian Reservation.
  • The tribe's Game and Fish map hatches the entire northwestern reservation, including the country north of Cibecue and Carrizo, as a Closed Area. The tribe's FAQ says closed areas are off limits to non-members, and the camping regulations restrict all camping to designated areas.
  • No camping, fishing or recreation permit the tribe sells opens the closed area. The reservation roads toward the lake are unsigned dirt, and the tribe enforces its boundaries.
  • The nearest open tribal camping from the Valley is along the Salt River corridor on a Special Use permit, or the North Fork campgrounds (Lower Log, Upper Log) and the lakes near McNary on a daily camping permit.
  • Cibecue itself is about 3 hours from Old Town via US 60 through Globe and Salt River Canyon; the lake is well beyond anywhere you may go.

Where

Reservation back roads north of Cibecue; no public access

Directions

Drive from Old Town

About 3 hr

No traffic. Add time on Friday afternoons.

Elevation

7,255 ft

Old Town sits at about 1,250 ft.

Cost

Not available to non-members; no permit opens this area

Reservations

None

Season

Closed to non-tribal members year-round; the drive time given is to Cibecue, the last place you may legally go

Managed by

White Mountain Apache Tribe Game and Fish Department

wmatoutdoor.org

Best for

Nobody from Scottsdale: this entry exists so you do not drive three hours to a locked gate

What’s here

  • Fishing

What is Blue Lake Campground?

Somebody saved this pin because Google Maps labels it “Blue Lake Campground,” and it is worth a few hundred words to say plainly that it is not a place you can go. The coordinates land on West Blue Lake, listed by the USGS with the alternate name Blue Lake: a small lake at about 7,255 feet on the forested plateau south of the Mogollon Rim, in Navajo County, about 9.6 miles east-southeast of Forest Lakes and 16 miles northwest of the village of Cibecue. It is on the Fort Apache Indian Reservation, and it sits well inside the White Mountain Apache Tribe’s closed area.

The tribe’s Game and Fish map hatches the whole northwestern reservation, including everything north of Cibecue and Carrizo, as closed. Its FAQ says closed areas are for tribal members; its camping regulations restrict all camping to established sites in designated camping areas. The designated campgrounds, every one of them, are on the open eastern side of the reservation around McNary, Hawley Lake, Sunrise and Reservation Lake, or along the Black and Salt rivers on a Special Use permit. A lake 16 miles up unsigned dirt roads north of Cibecue is none of those things.

What you get here is a correction. What you do not get is a campground, a permit, a road you may drive, or a reason to try; the useful part of this page is the list of places that are open, and the history of why this one is not.

How to visit it right

Do not. No fee, no reservation and no permit exist for this lake, because no permit covers it. The tribe’s $15 per vehicle daily camping permit is good only at designated campgrounds in open areas, and its fishing and recreation permits say the same.

Get as far as Cibecue, if you must. For the record, Cibecue is about 3 hours from Old Town: US 60 east through Globe, down and up through Salt River Canyon, then the signed Cibecue road north from US 60 about 15 miles. That is the end of the public road for a visitor without tribal business. The country beyond, toward the Rim and this lake, is reservation back road inside the closed area, patrolled by tribal game wardens who do not read Google pins as permission.

Go to the open lakes instead. On the reservation: Lower Log Road and Upper Log on the North Fork of the White River, Hawley Lake, Horseshoe Cienega, Sunrise Lake, Reservation Lake and Pacheta Lake, all with tables, fire rings, toilets and trout, all on the $15 daily permit sold at Hon-Dah and in Whiteriver. They are 60-plus miles east of Cibecue, reached from SR 260 and SR 73, not from US 60.

Or go to the Forest Service side. If the Rim country near Forest Lakes was the attraction, the boundary is 10 miles north of this lake and the national forest beyond it has Woods Canyon Lake, Willow Springs and Bear Canyon lakes with no permit beyond a campground fee, and Canyon Point with showers. All of it is a full hour closer to home.

If you want the Salt River country. The tribe does open the Salt River corridor along US 60 for primitive camping on a Special Use permit, and Second Campground on the Carrizo side is the designated option; that is the nearest legal tribal camping to Cibecue.

Season, water, dogs. Not applicable here; see the open-lake guides.

Sovereignty. The reservation is not public land. The tribe decides what is open, sells permits for what is, and closes what it wants closed. That is the whole rule, and it is a reasonable one.

Skip it entirely. This entry is the catch. If a future tribal map opens the Cibecue country, the tribe’s website will say so; until then, this pin is a lake you will see only from a USGS quad.

The valley the Army attacked and the tribe kept

Cibecue is the center of Western Apache country in a way the tourist lakes to the east are not. The Cibecue bands farmed the creek bottoms and hunted the plateau under the Rim, where this lake sits, long before any map, and they were still doing it when the Army arrived. In 1870 the Army built Camp Apache, later Fort Apache, on the White River at the suggestion of White Mountain Apache leaders who had watched what happened to the Navajo and chose an alliance. In 1871 General George Crook enrolled 50 White Mountain men as scouts, and the reservation drawn in the early 1870s kept most of the homeland, Cibecue included, in Apache hands. That is the single fact behind everything on this page: the plateau is tribal land, not national forest, because the tribe held it through the wars.

The wars came to Cibecue anyway. In the summer of 1881 a medicine man named Nock-ay-det-klinne was holding dances on Cibecue Creek that the agent and the Army read as a threat, and on August 30, 1881 Colonel Eugene Carr rode in with 85 soldiers and 23 Apache scouts and arrested him at his camp. His followers attacked the column; most of the scouts, the largest mutiny of Native scouts in the Army’s history, turned on the soldiers; the medicine man was killed in the fight and Carr retreated to Fort Apache, which was attacked two days later. The Battle of Cibecue Creek set off a general outbreak that sent Geronimo, Juh and Naiche off the San Carlos reservation and into the last five years of the Apache wars. Three of the scouts were hanged at Fort Grant the next year. The valley never forgot any of it, and a visitor’s sense that this country is less welcoming than the Hawley Lake side is not wrong, only badly informed about why.

The Army left Fort Apache in 1922 and the Bureau of Indian Affairs turned it into a boarding school. The tribe adopted a constitution under the Indian Reorganization Act in 1934 and elected its first tribal council in 1936, and that government is the one that writes the recreation rules today. Its most consequential early act for this story was conservation: in 1955 the tribe closed streams holding the last native Apache trout to fishing, the first formal protection for a fish that by the 1960s survived in about 30 miles of water. The Game and Fish Department that grew from that work built the eastern lakes into a permit economy, stocked them, and drew the line between open and closed country. The trout was listed as endangered in 1967, downlisted to threatened in 1975, and removed from the list on September 4, 2024, the first sport fish ever recovered, with the tribe credited as its first steward.

Then the plateau burned. On June 18, 2002 the Rodeo Fire started near the Cibecue rodeo grounds, set by a tribal member working as a seasonal firefighter who wanted the work; two days later a stranded quad rider lit a signal fire near Chediski Peak, and on June 23 the two merged. The Rodeo-Chediski Fire burned 468,638 acres, the largest in Arizona’s history until 2011, and 280,992 of them, 60 percent, were on the reservation, including the country around this lake. The arsonist got ten years; the tribe got a scarred forest it is still managing, and a reason beyond tradition to keep the western plateau closed.

What has not changed is the map. The tribe’s Game and Fish hatching covers the whole northwestern reservation, its FAQ says closed areas are for members, and its camping rules allow camping only in designated areas, all of which are east. Nothing on the tribe’s site suggests that will change, and nothing a visitor does from a Google pin will hurry it.

Why it matters

West Blue Lake is a lesson in whose map you are reading. Google’s shows a campground; the tribe’s shows a closed area; the second one is the law. The valley below it is where the Apache wars turned for the worst in 1881 and where Arizona’s largest fire to that date started in 2002, and the tribe that held this ground through both has decided to keep it for itself, which it is entitled to do. For a Scottsdale camper the verdict is short: the White Mountain Apache lakes are some of the best camping in the state, every one of them is 60 miles east of here on a $15 permit, and the right response to this pin is to delete it and book Hawley or Pacheta instead.

Blue Lake Campground (Cibecue) by the numbers

7,255 ft

Elevation

None

Public access

~3 hr

Drive to Cibecue

How it got here: a timeline

  1. prehistory

    The Cibecue and Carrizo valleys are the heart of Western Apache country, farmed and hunted by the Cibecue bands long before any map; the plateau under the Rim where the lake sits is their summer range.

  2. 1870–1871

    The Army builds Camp Apache, later Fort Apache, in 1870 at the suggestion of White Mountain Apache leaders, and in 1871 General Crook enrolls 50 White Mountain men as scouts; the reservation drawn in the early 1870s keeps the Cibecue country in Apache hands, which is why it is tribal land and not national forest today.

  3. 1881

    On August 30 soldiers under Colonel Eugene Carr arrest the Cibecue medicine man Nock-ay-det-klinne at his camp on Cibecue Creek; his followers attack, most of the 23 Apache scouts turn on the column, and the Battle of Cibecue Creek sets off the outbreak that sends Geronimo and Juh off the reservation.

  4. 1922–1936

    The Army leaves Fort Apache in 1922; the tribe adopts a constitution under the Indian Reorganization Act in 1934 and elects its first tribal council in 1936, the government that writes today's recreation rules.

  5. 1955

    The tribe closes streams holding the last native Apache trout to fishing, the first formal protection for the fish that is later listed, recovered and, on September 4, 2024, delisted; the Game and Fish Department that grows from this work is the agency that sells permits and draws the closed area.

  6. 2002

    On June 18 the Rodeo Fire starts near the Cibecue rodeo grounds, set by a tribal member working as a seasonal firefighter; it merges with the Chediski Fire on June 23 and burns 468,638 acres, 280,992 of them on the reservation, the plateau around this lake included.

  7. today

    The tribe's Game and Fish map hatches the whole northwestern reservation, Cibecue and this lake included, as a closed area; its permits are valid only in open areas and designated campgrounds, and that has not changed.

Questions people actually ask

Is there really a campground at Blue Lake near Cibecue?

Not one you can use. The pin is West Blue Lake, a small natural lake on the reservation plateau south of the Rim, inside the White Mountain Apache Tribe's closed area. The tribe's map and FAQ reserve that country for tribal members, and no visitor permit covers it.

Can I buy a tribal permit and go anyway?

No. The tribe's daily camping, fishing and recreation permits are valid only in open areas and designated campgrounds. The closed area north of Cibecue and the whole western reservation outside the Salt River corridor are excluded, and entering is trespass on sovereign land.

Where can a visitor camp on the White Mountain Apache Reservation?

At designated campgrounds on the open eastern side: Hawley Lake, Horseshoe Cienega, Sunrise, A-1, Shush Be Tou and Shush Be Zahze, Reservation Lake, Drift Fence, Pacheta, and the North Fork camps at Lower Log and Upper Log. Primitive camping is allowed along the Black and Salt rivers on a Special Use permit.

What is the closest open lake with camping to Cibecue?

On tribal land, nothing close; the open lakes are 60-plus miles east. Off the reservation, the Forest Service lakes on the Rim above Forest Lakes (Woods Canyon, Willow Springs, Bear Canyon) are the nearest, reached from SR 260 rather than from Cibecue.

Why is the Cibecue country closed to visitors?

Because the tribe says so, and it does not owe an explanation. The reservation is sovereign land, not public land; the tribe opens the eastern lakes and the North Fork for permit revenue and keeps the western plateau, home to the Cibecue and Carrizo communities and some of its best elk and trout water, for its members. The 2002 Rodeo-Chediski Fire, which started near Cibecue and burned 280,992 reservation acres, is also still being managed.

Can I at least drive through Cibecue?

The paved road from US 60 to the village is open to the public, and Cibecue has a store and a gas pump. Beyond the village the dirt roads toward the Rim are inside the closed area; stay on the pavement, do not camp, and do not treat a navigation app as permission.

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Sources

Facts checked: October 13, 2026 • Curated by the Scottsdale.tips editors • Fees, seasons, road conditions and fire restrictions change — confirm with White Mountain Apache Tribe Game and Fish Department before you build a day around them.